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Tory conference and Tory lies
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Ian Jackson
2019-09-29 10:38:45 UTC
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40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
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Ian
abelard
2019-09-29 10:47:54 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
they are indeed, as usual, plain daft...

however,you should realise that fnl actually intend to
introduce their plain daft proposals...as socialist
regimes have around the world...

with the obvious costs in poverty and dictatorship that invariably
follow
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 11:20:33 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?
A bit like renationalising water, national grid, railways maybe?
Post by Ian Jackson
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
Joe
2019-09-29 13:02:58 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100
Post by Ian Jackson
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to
call them 'aspirations'?
No, 'aspirations' is already taken, it's the trade union euphemism for
'greed', as in 'my members' natural aspirations'.
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Joe
Ian Jackson
2019-09-30 07:26:47 UTC
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On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?
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Ian
Ian Jackson
2019-10-03 15:58:17 UTC
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yours is a minority opinion...and this pretends to be a democracy
Wrong. Check the polls.
A referendum of 46.5m people trumps an opinion poll of just a couple of
thousand!
Indeed. Isn't it about time we had a second one - and maybe this time
we'd get nearly 12M more voters?
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Ian
Vidcapper
2019-10-04 06:10:53 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
yours is a minority opinion...and this pretends to be a democracy
Wrong. Check the polls.
A referendum of 46.5m people trumps an opinion poll of just a couple of
thousand!
Indeed. Isn't it about time we had a second one - and maybe this time
we'd get nearly 12M more voters?
How?

A 100% turnout is literally impossible, as people are
moving/dying/reaching-18 all the time.

IIRC, studies have been done which suggest that 95-96% is the most you
could ever get, due to the above-mentioned factors.

In any case, I see no reason why their would be much more of a turnout
than in 2016 - a lot of people have been bored sick by the whole Brexit
issue!
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Ian Jackson
2019-10-04 07:10:25 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Ian Jackson
yours is a minority opinion...and this pretends to be a democracy
Wrong. Check the polls.
A referendum of 46.5m people trumps an opinion poll of just a couple of
thousand!
Indeed. Isn't it about time we had a second one - and maybe this time
we'd get nearly 12M more voters?
How?
A 100% turnout is literally impossible, as people are
moving/dying/reaching-18 all the time.
IIRC, studies have been done which suggest that 95-96% is the most you
could ever get, due to the above-mentioned factors.
I said 'nearly' - and 95-96% would be a more-than-near-enough for me!
Post by Vidcapper
In any case, I see no reason why their would be much more of a turnout
than in 2016 - a lot of people have been bored sick by the whole Brexit
issue!
Yes - a lot of people ARE absolutely bored stiff with the never-ended
Brexit debacle. Many (including those who voted Remain) say "I've lost
interest in Brexit or its consequences. We should simply leave and get
it over with".

I can only assume that these are the ones who, in the referendum, voted
'casually', and had little interest or understanding about the EU, or
why we were taking the unusual step of having a referendum about it in
the first place. Their decision was probably determined by which
easy-to-digest propaganda sound-bites they believed, or simply the toss
of a coin.
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Ian
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