Discussion:
Free Speech?
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Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 02:51:18 UTC
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"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.

Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"

OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?

Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.

Food for thought?
Fredxxx
2014-02-24 02:56:17 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.

Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 03:30:48 UTC
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.
Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
So why have you reached that conclusion? Talked to real people? Gone
visted? No. You've just listened to what other retards have said. Some
intellect that is!

A lot of Nazis have an issue with what consenting adults get up to in
private. As soon as I hear that alarm bells ring- no angel. Because
properly adjusted grown ups really don't give a shit.

I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.

Grow up. If you want paranoid conspiracy, at least listen to Alex Jones
or David Icke who've got something going for them not just sucking the
cock of whoever pays them. Nuff said.
Fredxxx
2014-02-24 04:03:01 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.
Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
So why have you reached that conclusion? Talked to real people? Gone
visted? No. You've just listened to what other retards have said. Some
intellect that is!
A lot of Nazis have an issue with what consenting adults get up to in
private. As soon as I hear that alarm bells ring- no angel. Because
properly adjusted grown ups really don't give a shit.
I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.
Grow up. If you want paranoid conspiracy, at least listen to Alex Jones
or David Icke who've got something going for them not just sucking the
cock of whoever pays them. Nuff said.
What has that diatribe got to do with Blacks having lower IQs or a
retard's desire to make libellous statements about people they don't like?
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 04:19:50 UTC
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.
Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
So why have you reached that conclusion? Talked to real people? Gone
visted? No. You've just listened to what other retards have said. Some
intellect that is!
A lot of Nazis have an issue with what consenting adults get up to in
private. As soon as I hear that alarm bells ring- no angel. Because
properly adjusted grown ups really don't give a shit.
I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.
Grow up. If you want paranoid conspiracy, at least listen to Alex Jones
or David Icke who've got something going for them not just sucking the
cock of whoever pays them. Nuff said.
What has that diatribe got to do with Blacks having lower IQs or a
retard's desire to make libellous statements about people they don't like?
Who invented IQ? Why is that a more valid theory than Nazis being
nonces-I don't see it.
Fredxxx
2014-02-24 04:28:14 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.
Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
So why have you reached that conclusion? Talked to real people? Gone
visted? No. You've just listened to what other retards have said. Some
intellect that is!
A lot of Nazis have an issue with what consenting adults get up to in
private. As soon as I hear that alarm bells ring- no angel. Because
properly adjusted grown ups really don't give a shit.
I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.
Grow up. If you want paranoid conspiracy, at least listen to Alex Jones
or David Icke who've got something going for them not just sucking the
cock of whoever pays them. Nuff said.
What has that diatribe got to do with Blacks having lower IQs or a
retard's desire to make libellous statements about people they don't like?
Who invented IQ? Why is that a more valid theory than Nazis being
nonces-I don't see it.
Obviously not.

If you can't understand what scientists mean by saying blacks are less
intelligent by a measurable standard, then why start this thread?

Why obfuscate this lack of knowledge with the mention of Nazis and nonces?
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 04:41:15 UTC
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.
Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
So why have you reached that conclusion? Talked to real people? Gone
visted? No. You've just listened to what other retards have said. Some
intellect that is!
A lot of Nazis have an issue with what consenting adults get up to in
private. As soon as I hear that alarm bells ring- no angel. Because
properly adjusted grown ups really don't give a shit.
I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.
Grow up. If you want paranoid conspiracy, at least listen to Alex Jones
or David Icke who've got something going for them not just sucking the
cock of whoever pays them. Nuff said.
What has that diatribe got to do with Blacks having lower IQs or a
retard's desire to make libellous statements about people they don't like?
Who invented IQ? Why is that a more valid theory than Nazis being
nonces-I don't see it.
Obviously not.
If you can't understand what scientists mean by saying blacks are less
intelligent by a measurable standard, then why start this thread?
Why obfuscate this lack of knowledge with the mention of Nazis and nonces?
Well who made those scientists "scientists"? Why are they right and me
wrong? There's fuck all as far as I see "intellectual" about making up
a theory by colonials to vindicate their rape and pillage.

Why do you believe them not me? I have nothing to gain from my theory,
they have a lot to gain.

Obviously you prefer money to intellect. Shame, a lot do, And with money
you can buy all sorts of "qualifications".
Fredxxx
2014-02-24 12:20:54 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.
Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
So why have you reached that conclusion? Talked to real people? Gone
visted? No. You've just listened to what other retards have said. Some
intellect that is!
A lot of Nazis have an issue with what consenting adults get up to in
private. As soon as I hear that alarm bells ring- no angel. Because
properly adjusted grown ups really don't give a shit.
I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive
conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.
Grow up. If you want paranoid conspiracy, at least listen to Alex Jones
or David Icke who've got something going for them not just sucking the
cock of whoever pays them. Nuff said.
What has that diatribe got to do with Blacks having lower IQs or a
retard's desire to make libellous statements about people they don't like?
Who invented IQ? Why is that a more valid theory than Nazis being
nonces-I don't see it.
Obviously not.
If you can't understand what scientists mean by saying blacks are less
intelligent by a measurable standard, then why start this thread?
Why obfuscate this lack of knowledge with the mention of Nazis and nonces?
Well who made those scientists "scientists"? Why are they right and me
wrong? There's fuck all as far as I see "intellectual" about making up a
theory by colonials to vindicate their rape and pillage.
Why do you believe them not me? I have nothing to gain from my theory,
they have a lot to gain.
Many scientists gain very little from their research. Others who are
less intellectual try and use misinformation for political gain.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Obviously you prefer money to intellect. Shame, a lot do, And with money
you can buy all sorts of "qualifications".
You prefer money?

I blame the government who brought in tuition fees?

Are you the sort to get suckered in by emails promising qualification in
return for money?

It's quite clear that you have no idea how much work there is in
obtaining something like a university qualification.

Are you jealous of those that do?
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 12:54:45 UTC
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
"Scientists" can say black people are less intelligent, and whilst it's
controversial and non-PC, they can still keep their jobs and not face
legal sanctions.
Because the statement can be backed up by real studies.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Yet for some reason I can't say "white supremecists like David Duke and
Nick Griffin are paedophiles"
Because you cannot provide any evidence that they are.
Post by Andy Wainwright
OK, I've got no genuine proof for the latter, but I see no genuine proof
for the former. Let's face it, if those cunts can publish defamatory
made up shit about others, why can't I?
You might not have proof, but there are enough institutions that do.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Free speech? Only if you don't threaten the establishment, which ain't
half as liberal and generally nice as made out.
Food for thought?
No, not at all. There is only Free Speech when you can back what you say
with evidence, or when what you say doesn't pose a danger (such as
shouting "fire" in a theatre), or incite violence, or even incite racial
hatred.
Whatever point you were trying to make, you have utterly failed.
So why have you reached that conclusion? Talked to real people? Gone
visted? No. You've just listened to what other retards have said. Some
intellect that is!
A lot of Nazis have an issue with what consenting adults get up to in
private. As soon as I hear that alarm bells ring- no angel. Because
properly adjusted grown ups really don't give a shit.
I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.
Grow up. If you want paranoid conspiracy, at least listen to Alex Jones
or David Icke who've got something going for them not just sucking the
cock of whoever pays them. Nuff said.
What has that diatribe got to do with Blacks having lower IQs or a
retard's desire to make libellous statements about people they don't like?
Who invented IQ? Why is that a more valid theory than Nazis being
nonces-I don't see it.
Obviously not.
If you can't understand what scientists mean by saying blacks are less
intelligent by a measurable standard, then why start this thread?
Why obfuscate this lack of knowledge with the mention of Nazis and nonces?
Well who made those scientists "scientists"? Why are they right and me
wrong? There's fuck all as far as I see "intellectual" about making up a
theory by colonials to vindicate their rape and pillage.
Why do you believe them not me? I have nothing to gain from my theory,
they have a lot to gain.
Many scientists gain very little from their research. Others who are
less intellectual try and use misinformation for political gain.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Obviously you prefer money to intellect. Shame, a lot do, And with money
you can buy all sorts of "qualifications".
You prefer money?
I blame the government who brought in tuition fees?
Are you the sort to get suckered in by emails promising qualification in
return for money?
It's quite clear that you have no idea how much work there is in
obtaining something like a university qualification.
Are you jealous of those that do?
A lot call me a communist which is wrong,I am against repression be it
left, right, Islamic, Christian whatever.

So I'll say let any cunt call themselves a doctor or professor- if
there's any truth in what they claim to teach, well, it's consumer
choice. What works, pays. Not socialism, but the opposite, free market,
which we are lied to that exists when it's glorified feudalism.

Problem I see with academia is it's pigeon-holed by someone else's
definition. Why not music and maths for example, seems logical to me
having studied both? Technology and philosophy? Again logical to me.

I see these "race scientists" as robot drones who repeat what they've
been told. Taking orders and copying is the diametric opposite of
intelligence- a fucking tape recorder can do that. If you're gonna take
orders, take them at least from a God rather than a human being who's no
better than you- at least, you'll probably learn more.

Specialisation which acedemia is about is for insects, do you want to be
an insect?
White Spirit
2014-02-24 13:04:42 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
A lot call me a communist which is wrong,I am against repression be it
left, right, Islamic, Christian whatever.
You're a cultural Marxist.
Post by Andy Wainwright
So I'll say let any cunt call themselves a doctor or professor- if
there's any truth in what they claim to teach, well, it's consumer
choice. What works, pays. Not socialism, but the opposite, free market,
which we are lied to that exists when it's glorified feudalism.
Then have your heart bypass performed by a chap whom you met at the pub.
It's all the same to me.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Problem I see with academia is it's pigeon-holed by someone else's
definition. Why not music and maths for example, seems logical to me
having studied both? Technology and philosophy? Again logical to me.
Unfortunately, the only reasoning you 'understand' is transductive
reasoning. You don't understand logical outcomes.
Post by Andy Wainwright
I see these "race scientists" as robot drones who repeat what they've
been told.
Actually, they are investigating and they are generally 'told' not to do
that.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Taking orders and copying is the diametric opposite of
intelligence- a fucking tape recorder can do that.
That's exactly what you and Babbleard are doing by regurgitating the
received wisdom and attempting to stifle any discussion of the same.
Post by Andy Wainwright
If you're gonna take
orders, take them at least from a God rather than a human being who's no
better than you- at least, you'll probably learn more.
Oh dear...
Post by Andy Wainwright
Specialisation which acedemia is about is for insects, do you want to be
an insect?
In general, it is more lucrative to know a lot about one thing than a
little bit about many things.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 13:30:17 UTC
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Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
A lot call me a communist which is wrong,I am against repression be it
left, right, Islamic, Christian whatever.
You're a cultural Marxist.
Post by Andy Wainwright
So I'll say let any cunt call themselves a doctor or professor- if
there's any truth in what they claim to teach, well, it's consumer
choice. What works, pays. Not socialism, but the opposite, free market,
which we are lied to that exists when it's glorified feudalism.
Then have your heart bypass performed by a chap whom you met at the pub.
It's all the same to me.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Problem I see with academia is it's pigeon-holed by someone else's
definition. Why not music and maths for example, seems logical to me
having studied both? Technology and philosophy? Again logical to me.
Unfortunately, the only reasoning you 'understand' is transductive
reasoning. You don't understand logical outcomes.
Post by Andy Wainwright
I see these "race scientists" as robot drones who repeat what they've
been told.
Actually, they are investigating and they are generally 'told' not to do
that.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Taking orders and copying is the diametric opposite of
intelligence- a fucking tape recorder can do that.
That's exactly what you and Babbleard are doing by regurgitating the
received wisdom and attempting to stifle any discussion of the same.
Post by Andy Wainwright
If you're gonna take
orders, take them at least from a God rather than a human being who's no
better than you- at least, you'll probably learn more.
Oh dear...
Post by Andy Wainwright
Specialisation which acedemia is about is for insects, do you want to be
an insect?
In general, it is more lucrative to know a lot about one thing than a
little bit about many things.
Well, as I've said all along, why do you believe what the racists et al
have told you? Let's face it, they've generally grown up in a little
twee middle class bubble, they've got to where they are through copying
and repeating, never tripped out even, just following what they've been
told.

So, they've never bothered to learn for themselves, live a little, love
a little, been to frightened of the powers that be to do that. These
sort of twats will test drugs on animals, but are too chicken-shit to
try the gear themselves.

So, how have us folk learned- through personal experience- sometimes
bitter, friends, family etc- people you know and trust.
White Spirit
2014-02-24 13:34:43 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Well, as I've said all along, why do you believe what the racists et al
have told you?
I don't listen to racists; I look at the evidence and make my own mind up.

You should try it some time.
abelard
2014-02-24 10:12:44 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 04:19:50 +0000, Andy Wainwright
Post by Andy Wainwright
Who invented IQ?
i expect you mean iq testing

usually attributed to binet, who developed it to separate
backward children for special attention

it was massively developed and expanded during ww1
in america, to try to fit military recruits into suitable
tasks in the army...
Post by Andy Wainwright
Why is that a more valid theory than Nazis being
nonces-I don't see it.
why not just stick with reality...national socialists, like all
socialists, are fools or unusually confused...
and they usually sport low iqs!
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Svenne Tvaerskaegg
2014-02-24 15:45:18 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
I've not got a great deal of African in me, but I've talked extensively
to Africans, and they're brothers to me- all decent men are. By
contrast, the racists I meet have because of their abusive conditioning
been unable to form proper relationships and just put on a show to
impress the peers that are worthless toe-rags but have a bit of cash.
Some of the worst misogynists and homphobes I've ever met were some
Jamaicans I used to knock around with in the 1960's and 70's. They were
decent enough blokes who treated you as an equal as long as you weren't a
woman and they wouldn't kick the shit out of you unless you were Gay.

I didn't have much in common with them except the really first class ganja
they always seemed to have in copious amounts.
True Blue
2014-02-24 11:55:16 UTC
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<snip>

Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 12:14:53 UTC
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Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.

Mine is acquired, yours is received.

Now, who are you receiving this from?
True Blue
2014-02-24 12:48:01 UTC
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Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
People and places you could only dream of meeting and visiting.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 13:09:54 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
People and places you could only dream of meeting and visiting.
Well I'd admit, not widely travelled. Amsterdam and the Balearics,
that's about it- some countries even ban me despite no serious criminal
record.

Yet I'm a real person not a put on act, which sadly many are. And people
are people, you learn that if you be yourself and don't act.

I mean, you think I'm a Marxist when these days I'm quite the opposite-
communism is after all about control and control sucks.

If you actually dropped your pretentious guard and got to know people as
opposed to just posing and acting you'd know this.
White Spirit
2014-02-24 12:53:34 UTC
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Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain
foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 12:59:38 UTC
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Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work. What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are. Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
White Spirit
2014-02-24 13:09:43 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work.
The widest range of high quality sources, ideally. Of course, one
cannot assess the quality of a source without knowing something about
any given topic. One must learn to question things.
Post by Andy Wainwright
What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are.
Then a discerning individual can identify that. No one is asking you to
read Mein Kampf.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 13:11:22 UTC
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Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work.
The widest range of high quality sources, ideally. Of course, one
cannot assess the quality of a source without knowing something about
any given topic. One must learn to question things.
Post by Andy Wainwright
What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are.
Then a discerning individual can identify that. No one is asking you to
read Mein Kampf.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
White Spirit
2014-02-24 13:19:12 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
You have a messianic complex.

A number of things have become much clearer now.
Fredxxx
2014-02-24 16:08:04 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work.
The widest range of high quality sources, ideally. Of course, one
cannot assess the quality of a source without knowing something about
any given topic. One must learn to question things.
Post by Andy Wainwright
What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are.
Then a discerning individual can identify that. No one is asking you to
read Mein Kampf.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
BS is what people spout with no evidence, like saying "white
supremecists like David Duke and Nick Griffin are paedophiles" as you
did in your original post.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-25 16:13:45 UTC
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work.
The widest range of high quality sources, ideally. Of course, one
cannot assess the quality of a source without knowing something about
any given topic. One must learn to question things.
Post by Andy Wainwright
What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are.
Then a discerning individual can identify that. No one is asking you to
read Mein Kampf.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
BS is what people spout with no evidence, like saying "white
supremecists like David Duke and Nick Griffin are paedophiles" as you
did in your original post.
Well, that Nazis are more likely to be kiddie-diddlers is a valid
scientific theory. A controversial one maybe, but if you're gonna have
controversial theories why can't I. I can't look in Nick Griffin's
bedroom, a scientist can neither look inside a person's mind.

All this emphasis on power and dominance that fascists have suggests
some of the psychology at play may be similar to gay S&M or pederasty.
White Spirit
2014-02-25 16:17:15 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
BS is what people spout with no evidence, like saying "white
supremecists like David Duke and Nick Griffin are paedophiles" as you
did in your original post.
Well, that Nazis are more likely to be kiddie-diddlers is a valid
scientific theory. A controversial one maybe, but if you're gonna have
controversial theories why can't I. I can't look in Nick Griffin's
bedroom, a scientist can neither look inside a person's mind.
All this emphasis on power and dominance that fascists have suggests
some of the psychology at play may be similar to gay S&M or pederasty.
Which fascists, and who precisely is obsessed with power and dominance?
Fredxxx
2014-02-26 22:52:37 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work.
The widest range of high quality sources, ideally. Of course, one
cannot assess the quality of a source without knowing something about
any given topic. One must learn to question things.
Post by Andy Wainwright
What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are.
Then a discerning individual can identify that. No one is asking you to
read Mein Kampf.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
BS is what people spout with no evidence, like saying "white
supremecists like David Duke and Nick Griffin are paedophiles" as you
did in your original post.
Well, that Nazis are more likely to be kiddie-diddlers is a valid
scientific theory. A controversial one maybe, but if you're gonna have
controversial theories why can't I. I can't look in Nick Griffin's
bedroom, a scientist can neither look inside a person's mind.
It may well be your theory, but without any evidence it is lumped in
with other nutcase assertions like Elvis is alive.
Post by Andy Wainwright
All this emphasis on power and dominance that fascists have suggests
some of the psychology at play may be similar to gay S&M or pederasty.
Again you are entitled to suggest whatever you like, but it won't bear
any scrutiny without evidence to back up your assertions.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-26 23:39:07 UTC
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work.
The widest range of high quality sources, ideally. Of course, one
cannot assess the quality of a source without knowing something about
any given topic. One must learn to question things.
Post by Andy Wainwright
What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are.
Then a discerning individual can identify that. No one is asking you to
read Mein Kampf.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
BS is what people spout with no evidence, like saying "white
supremecists like David Duke and Nick Griffin are paedophiles" as you
did in your original post.
Well, that Nazis are more likely to be kiddie-diddlers is a valid
scientific theory. A controversial one maybe, but if you're gonna have
controversial theories why can't I. I can't look in Nick Griffin's
bedroom, a scientist can neither look inside a person's mind.
It may well be your theory, but without any evidence it is lumped in
with other nutcase assertions like Elvis is alive.
Post by Andy Wainwright
All this emphasis on power and dominance that fascists have suggests
some of the psychology at play may be similar to gay S&M or pederasty.
Again you are entitled to suggest whatever you like, but it won't bear
any scrutiny without evidence to back up your assertions.
OK- these "racial superiority and inferiority" jokers think they can
tell if someone is more or less intelligent by what they look like. So,
I could say I can tell whether someone diddles by what they look like.
"Black" and "Asian" are really vague terms, which isn't very scientific,
so why can't say I can tell if they're a paedophile on the far more
specific and scientific grounds that they share exactly the same DNA and
thus looks as Nick Griffin?

No research can be perfect, but I've taken legal advice as whether
filming in his bedroom to prove or disprove my theory is likely to lead
to arrest and prosecution and thus my research to conclusively prove my
theory is frustrated by red tape.
Fredxxx
2014-02-27 00:30:33 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work.
The widest range of high quality sources, ideally. Of course, one
cannot assess the quality of a source without knowing something about
any given topic. One must learn to question things.
Post by Andy Wainwright
What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are.
Then a discerning individual can identify that. No one is asking you to
read Mein Kampf.
Post by Andy Wainwright
Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
I am being myself taking an interest in matters of race and IQ. You are
being yourself in having a hissy fit whenever people choose to talk
about it.
No. I see you as a poor soul corrupted by others' BS and I'd like to
save you.
BS is what people spout with no evidence, like saying "white
supremecists like David Duke and Nick Griffin are paedophiles" as you
did in your original post.
Well, that Nazis are more likely to be kiddie-diddlers is a valid
scientific theory. A controversial one maybe, but if you're gonna have
controversial theories why can't I. I can't look in Nick Griffin's
bedroom, a scientist can neither look inside a person's mind.
It may well be your theory, but without any evidence it is lumped in
with other nutcase assertions like Elvis is alive.
Post by Andy Wainwright
All this emphasis on power and dominance that fascists have suggests
some of the psychology at play may be similar to gay S&M or pederasty.
Again you are entitled to suggest whatever you like, but it won't bear
any scrutiny without evidence to back up your assertions.
OK- these "racial superiority and inferiority" jokers think they can
tell if someone is more or less intelligent by what they look like. So,
I could say I can tell whether someone diddles by what they look like.
"Black" and "Asian" are really vague terms, which isn't very scientific,
so why can't say I can tell if they're a paedophile on the far more
specific and scientific grounds that they share exactly the same DNA and
thus looks as Nick Griffin?
If he has the same DNA as Nick Griffin, then plus or minus his
upbringing, given the nature/nurture argument, he has the propensity to
act and believe in a similar way. And of course visa-versa. However
studies have suggested sexuality in men is also governed by a myriad of
mechanisms whilst developing as a foetus. Look up big brother syndrome
to get an idea.
Post by Andy Wainwright
No research can be perfect, but I've taken legal advice as whether
filming in his bedroom to prove or disprove my theory is likely to lead
to arrest and prosecution and thus my research to conclusively prove my
theory is frustrated by red tape.
Scientist would ensure that subject are observed in a legal way.
Scientific study is a bitch, isn't it?
White Spirit
2014-02-27 10:31:38 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
OK- these "racial superiority and inferiority"
Who said anything like that?
Post by Andy Wainwright
jokers think they can
tell if someone is more or less intelligent by what they look like.
Who said that?

The question is, are you deliberately making things up or is it the
result of your latest binge?

Fredxxx
2014-02-24 16:06:18 UTC
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Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work. What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are. Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
You wouldn't understand the concept of a peer reviewed paper in a
leading scientific journal.

Or how you would undertake a study of this type, even if you found the
results palatable.
Andy Wainwright
2014-02-24 17:02:11 UTC
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by White Spirit
Post by Andy Wainwright
Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
There's a difference I see between my worldview and yours.
Mine is acquired, yours is received.
Now, who are you receiving this from?
Yes, Andy, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If only people
took drugs instead of reading, observing and thinking.
But reading and observing whose work. What if they are wrong, and if
it's evil shit they preach, likely they are. Better to be yourself than
copy, end of, and be yourself- drugs or no drugs- and you'll actually
learn more.
You wouldn't understand the concept of a peer reviewed paper in a
leading scientific journal.
Or how you would undertake a study of this type, even if you found the
results palatable.
None of them are metaphysicists. I know bugger all about nuclear
science, and for a non metaphysist to talk about human intellect is the
same.
Vidcapper
2014-02-24 17:11:38 UTC
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Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
I don't remember that?
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
True Blue
2014-02-25 08:40:27 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by True Blue
<snip>
Oh, dear. The shattering of your quasi-religous and niave beliefs in racial
equality is becoming a cause for concern. This is similar to accounts I have
read of how some North Koreans react to learning that certain foundations of
their whole lives are complete falsehoods:- anger and denial. Are you OK? I
haven't seen rude reality make such an emotional impact on a poster here
since May 2010 when Abelard was reduced to a febrile wreck on the night and
following morning of the General Election.
I don't remember that?
After the early results, he announced the victory he had been relentlessly
predicting since Cameron was elected leader:- "landslide", being the exact
term used. The next few hours saw his world fall apart.
Vidcapper
2014-02-25 09:33:58 UTC
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Post by True Blue
Post by Vidcapper
I don't remember that?
After the early results, he announced the victory he had been relentlessly
predicting since Cameron was elected leader:- "landslide", being the exact
term used.
It seems odd that he would have claimed that, since no such thing was
indicated by the early results that *I* saw...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
True Blue
2014-02-25 11:52:57 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by True Blue
Post by Vidcapper
I don't remember that?
After the early results, he announced the victory he had been
relentlessly
predicting since Cameron was elected leader:- "landslide", being the exact
term used.
It seems odd that he would have claimed that, since no such thing was
indicated by the early results that *I* saw...
Most things Abelard says are odd. Very odd.
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