Announcing The great global warmng con.

[Bazzer Smith]

OK here are the facts which will astound you.

1. We are past peak oil and peak coal ie, we have already released
most of the 'releasable' CO2 there is less than half to go.

2. Consequences of 1 - practically none, no noticable increase in
temperature
not of a significant kind anyway, no cities under the sea, it is 'bloody
freezing'
almost everywhere.

3. There has been a slight, but neglible increase in temperature, but that
is not
due to the CO2 it is due to the heat caused by the release of that CO2, you
would
expect that. We already know built up cities are warmer than the countryside
because the fuel is burnt in the cities, that's obvious - not rocket
science.

4. The counter arguement is that the oceans act as a heat sink so it will
take time
for the earth to warm up.

5. The counter arguement to 4 is that as the increase in atmospheric
temperature
has been neglible the warmiing of the oceans will be neglible and on a scale
so long
we will have ran out of all fossil fuels by then and the CO2 will begin to
be re-absorbed
and fall. So there will be no further warmng.

6 As we use less fossil fuels it will be hard to maintain atmospheric
temperatures
and the temperature will fall, that's obvious, try turning your central
heating down.

7 So global warming ain't going to happen.

So where did the scientists go wrong, and why am I so clever?


I will answer the latter first, I was born clever OK - get over it, some of
us are
and some us are not, I got dealt a royal flush and you got 6 high - tough.

Anyway the first bit is easy to address, simple - it gets very cold at night
especially when there is no cloud cover. You basically lose virtually all
the heat.

Simple experiment in winter if you have your central heating on at twice the
level
during the day will it be any warmer in the middle of the night??

Or try putting the heating on with all your door and windows open (no cloud
cover
simulation), you don't need me to tell you what will happend, you will
freeze
end with the heating on cos your heat is just going out the winidows and
doors..

Answer no all that heat will be lost very quickly, infact the the higher you
heat it
the quicker it will lose the heat. The main factor controling the heat at
night is cloud
cover, not temperature reached during the day, clouds are not effected in
particular
by global warming except in one counter productive way, if you have a bit
more melted
ice you have more surface water and hence more clouds, but clouds act as a
block to
sunlight and reflect it away, making the earth cooler.
The result is pretty much a static effect.

So why higher temperatures in the past with high CO2?

Simple, same as today, we were burning fossil fuel but not coal or oil
simpley the rocks from volanoes. The volcanoes produce heat and obviously
CO2
and other gases at the came time, obviously a lot of CO2 because guess what
the
earths contains? Old carbonate rocks, when they get burnt in the volcannoes
they
produce CO2.


And that's it. Job done.

Global warming is bollocks as you probably knew anyway.

Stick me on the Nobel prize lists please, I don't want the trophies, just
the
cash will do. You can melt the trophies down if they contain any precious
metals
and give me the cash from that if you like, or just give to charity if you
like.

I am a very charitable guy, that's why I told you this for nowt, pointless
spending monney trying to stop what ain't gonna happen anyway ain't it?

Yours Brainy Bazzer.

[Johnno]

Post by Bazzer Smith
OK here are the facts which will astound you.
1. We are past peak oil and peak coal ie, we have already released
most of the 'releasable' CO2 there is less than half to go.

Have you heard of 'past the point of no return'?

Post by Bazzer Smith
2. Consequences of 1 - practically none, no noticable increase in
temperature
not of a significant kind anyway, no cities under the sea, it is 'bloody
freezing'
almost everywhere.

its winter, dickhead.

Post by Bazzer Smith
3. There has been a slight, but neglible increase in temperature, but that
is not
due to the CO2 it is due to the heat caused by the release of that CO2, you
would
expect that. We already know built up cities are warmer than the countryside
because the fuel is burnt in the cities, that's obvious - not rocket
science.

What about the cows warming up?

Post by Bazzer Smith
4. The counter arguement is that the oceans act as a heat sink so it will
take time
for the earth to warm up.

yawn, fuckwit troll

[Bazzer Smith]

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
OK here are the facts which will astound you.
1. We are past peak oil and peak coal ie, we have already released
most of the 'releasable' CO2 there is less than half to go.

Have you heard of 'past the point of no return'?

Yes you stepped over it with your last comment.
The temperature was well over a degree higher in year 1100-1200
Not caused by CO2.
No point of no return reached.

Any recent temperature rises are entirely explained by the recent burning
of fossil fuels. Billions of tonnes of it were burned and you would expect a
small rise in
temperature from that. I would be inexplicable if there were not a rise due
to it.

Obviously the burning also produced the CO2 but the CO2 did not produce
the temperature increase, the burning produced both the CO2 and the
temperatue
increase as it witnessed any time fossil fuel is burnt.

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
2. Consequences of 1 - practically none, no noticable increase in
temperature
not of a significant kind anyway, no cities under the sea, it is 'bloody
freezing'
almost everywhere.

its winter, dickhead.

Post by Bazzer Smith
3. There has been a slight, but neglible increase in temperature, but that
is not
due to the CO2 it is due to the heat caused by the release of that CO2, you
would
expect that. We already know built up cities are warmer than the countryside
because the fuel is burnt in the cities, that's obvious - not rocket
science.

What about the cows warming up?

Post by Bazzer Smith
4. The counter arguement is that the oceans act as a heat sink so it will
take time
for the earth to warm up.

yawn, fuckwit troll

[Jeff York]

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
OK here are the facts which will astound you.
1. We are past peak oil and peak coal ie, we have already released
most of the 'releasable' CO2 there is less than half to go.

Have you heard of 'past the point of no return'?

Yes, ad nauseam... However, reaching a "tipping point" appears to
require the operation of some form of positive feedback as yet unknown
in nature.

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
2. Consequences of 1 - practically none, no noticable increase in
temperature
not of a significant kind anyway, no cities under the sea, it is 'bloody
freezing'
almost everywhere.

its winter, dickhead.

It's summer in the southern hemisphere though - and cold there too.

[Blah]

Post by Jeff York

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
OK here are the facts which will astound you.
1. We are past peak oil and peak coal ie, we have already released
most of the 'releasable' CO2 there is less than half to go.

Have you heard of 'past the point of no return'?

Yes, ad nauseam... However, reaching a "tipping point" appears to
require the operation of some form of positive feedback as yet unknown
in nature.

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
2. Consequences of 1 - practically none, no noticable increase in
temperature
not of a significant kind anyway, no cities under the sea, it is 'bloody
freezing'
almost everywhere.

its winter, dickhead.

It's summer in the southern hemisphere though - and cold there too.

Thats not what the Australian government think:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/

Australia and the globe are experiencing rapid climate change. Since the
middle of the 20th century, Australian temperatures have, on average,
risen by about 1°C with an increase in the frequency of heatwaves and a
decrease in the numbers of frosts and cold days. Rainfall patterns have
also changed - the northwest has seen an increase in rainfall over the
last 50 years while much of eastern Australia and the far southwest have
experienced a decline.

[Jeff York]

Post by Blah

Post by Jeff York

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
OK here are the facts which will astound you.
1. We are past peak oil and peak coal ie, we have already released
most of the 'releasable' CO2 there is less than half to go.

Have you heard of 'past the point of no return'?

Yes, ad nauseam... However, reaching a "tipping point" appears to
require the operation of some form of positive feedback as yet unknown
in nature.

Post by Johnno

Post by Bazzer Smith
2. Consequences of 1 - practically none, no noticable increase in
temperature
not of a significant kind anyway, no cities under the sea, it is 'bloody
freezing'
almost everywhere.

its winter, dickhead.

It's summer in the southern hemisphere though - and cold there too.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/
Australia and the globe are experiencing rapid climate change. Since the
middle of the 20th century, Australian temperatures have, on average,
risen by about 1°C with an increase in the frequency of heatwaves and a
decrease in the numbers of frosts and cold days. Rainfall patterns have
also changed - the northwest has seen an increase in rainfall over the
last 50 years while much of eastern Australia and the far southwest have
experienced a decline.

The Australian government are politicians, not scientists... What they
"think" has little to do with the reality of climate.

How about looking at
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/stormcenter/2004-12-30-uae-snow_x.htm
reporting snow, for the first time ever in the UAE...?