Brexit deal almost agreed!

[Ian Jackson]

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the
last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about
being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections -
for life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the
government of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not
second-class people who should have fewer rights than others.

Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on
citizenship), after all.

Have you seen the hoops that would-be UK citizens now have to jump
through (and the expense of it all)? Some native, well-educated UK
citizens would be unable to pass some of the tests. I did this one
(admittedly at lightning speed), and only got 83%. Fortunately, that
counts as a pass!
https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/

[JNugent]

Post by Ian Jackson

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the
last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about
being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections -
for  life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the
government  of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not
second-class  people who should have fewer rights than others.

 Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on
citizenship), after all.

Have you seen the hoops that would-be UK citizens now have to jump
through (and the expense of it all)? Some native, well-educated UK
citizens would be unable to pass some of the tests. I did this one
(admittedly at lightning speed), and only got 83%. Fortunately, that
counts as a pass!
https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/

You can bypass all that by being a "refugee".

[JNugent]

Post by JNugent

Post by Ian Jackson

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the
last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about
being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections -
for  life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the
government  of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not
second-class  people who should have fewer rights than others.

 Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on
citizenship), after all.

Have you seen the hoops that would-be UK citizens now have to jump
through (and the expense of it all)? Some native, well-educated UK
citizens would be unable to pass some of the tests. I did this one
(admittedly at lightning speed), and only got 83%. Fortunately, that
counts as a pass!
https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/

You can bypass all that by being a "refugee".

[100%, by the way - even the trickiest question (minimum age to stand
for Parliament).]

[tim...]

Post by JNugent

Post by Ian Jackson

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the
last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about
being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections -
for life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the
government of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not
second-class people who should have fewer rights than others.

Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on
citizenship), after all.

Have you seen the hoops that would-be UK citizens now have to jump
through (and the expense of it all)? Some native, well-educated UK
citizens would be unable to pass some of the tests. I did this one
(admittedly at lightning speed), and only got 83%. Fortunately, that
counts as a pass!
https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/

You can bypass all that by being a "refugee".

[100%, by the way - even the trickiest question (minimum age to stand for
Parliament).]

I had no idea what type of literature the Canterbury Tales are

tim

[JNugent]

Post by tim...

Post by JNugent

Post by JNugent

Post by Ian Jackson

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former
Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before
the last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining
about being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections
- for  life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the
government  of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not
second-class  people who should have fewer rights than others.

 Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on
citizenship), after all.

Have you seen the hoops that would-be UK citizens now have to jump
through (and the expense of it all)? Some native, well-educated UK
citizens would be unable to pass some of the tests. I did this one
(admittedly at lightning speed), and only got 83%. Fortunately, that
counts as a pass!
https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/

You can bypass all that by being a "refugee".

[100%, by the way - even the trickiest question (minimum age to stand
for Parliament).]

I had no idea what type of literature the Canterbury Tales are

I just vaguely remembered that the lines sort of rhyme. Given the few
options available, that was the only one that was feasible.

[tim...]

Post by JNugent

Post by tim...

Post by JNugent

Post by JNugent

Post by Ian Jackson

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the
last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about
being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections -
for life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the
government of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not
second-class people who should have fewer rights than others.

Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on
citizenship), after all.

Have you seen the hoops that would-be UK citizens now have to jump
through (and the expense of it all)? Some native, well-educated UK
citizens would be unable to pass some of the tests. I did this one
(admittedly at lightning speed), and only got 83%. Fortunately, that
counts as a pass!
https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/

You can bypass all that by being a "refugee".

[100%, by the way - even the trickiest question (minimum age to stand
for Parliament).]

I had no idea what type of literature the Canterbury Tales are

I just vaguely remembered that the lines sort of rhyme.

which requires that you have read them

all I have a TV series performing several of them, without engaging in any
nicety of keeping the original dialogue

tim

[JNugent]

Post by tim...

Post by JNugent

Post by tim...

Post by JNugent

Post by JNugent

Post by Ian Jackson

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former
Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before
the last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining
about being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary
elections - for  life - they are disenfranchised from having
any say in the government  of anywhere. And that cannot be
right. They are not second-class  people who should have fewer
rights than others.

 Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in
Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to
Spanish citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on
citizenship), after all.

Have you seen the hoops that would-be UK citizens now have to jump
through (and the expense of it all)? Some native, well-educated UK
citizens would be unable to pass some of the tests. I did this one
(admittedly at lightning speed), and only got 83%. Fortunately,
that counts as a pass!
https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/

You can bypass all that by being a "refugee".

[100%, by the way - even the trickiest question (minimum age to
stand for Parliament).]

I had no idea what type of literature the Canterbury Tales are

I just vaguely remembered that the lines sort of rhyme.

which requires that you have read them

And I have done so.

Post by tim...
all I have a TV series performing several of them, without engaging in
any nicety of keeping the original dialogue

Then that would have been a question you couldn't answer.

Never mind. You only need to exceed 60% to get a first class degree.

[Ian Jackson]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:48:59 -0000 (UTC), Incubus

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the
last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about
being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections - for
life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the government
of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not second-class
people who should have fewer rights than others.

Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on citizenship),
after all.

spain is indeed another country...if you vote to leave
you risk imprisonment

That will be coming to all EU member nations soon enough. Get out while you
can.

and now we have a result
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/world/europe/catalonia-separatists-ve
rdict-spain.html
"Catalan Separatist Leaders Get Lengthy Prison Terms for Sedition
Spain’s Supreme Court gave the former deputy leader of Catalonia,
Oriol Junqueras, the longest sentence, 13 years, for his role in the
independence movement."
"The court sentenced nine of the former leaders to prison for
sedition"
it certainly worries me...
there are good times and there are bad times

Although the EU is only 20 miles away, Spain is a faraway country, of
which we know little.

[abelard]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:06:33 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson

On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:48:59 -0000 (UTC), Incubus

I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
seen the light over the last 3 years.

Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.

very marginally
and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the
last vote
and you know what campaigning did to that lead.

Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the
country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?

I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about
being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised.

That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think.
An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local
elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout
Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's
parliamantary elections (and quite right too).
But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections - for
life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the government
of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not second-class
people who should have fewer rights than others.

Then let 'em take out Spanish citizenship. I lived in Switzerland 12
years and California 12 years. I didn't expect to have a vote in either
location.

Not everyone who lives in Spain is necessarily entitled to Spanish
citizenship.
Spain isn't the UK (with its exceptionally lax controls on citizenship),
after all.

spain is indeed another country...if you vote to leave
you risk imprisonment

That will be coming to all EU member nations soon enough. Get out while you
can.

and now we have a result
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/world/europe/catalonia-separatists-ve
rdict-spain.html
"Catalan Separatist Leaders Get Lengthy Prison Terms for Sedition
Spain’s Supreme Court gave the former deputy leader of Catalonia,
Oriol Junqueras, the longest sentence, 13 years, for his role in the
independence movement."
"The court sentenced nine of the former leaders to prison for
sedition"
it certainly worries me...
there are good times and there are bad times

Although the EU is only 20 miles away, Spain is a faraway country, of
which we know little.

a troubled land..and for what exactly?

i am organised to go look at franco's mausoleum before
the government digs the old fellow's bones up next month

https://www.abelard.org/spain/franco_was_not_fascist.php